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		<title>By: Skip J.</title>
		<link>http://toolmakingart.com/2009/07/27/pencil-shave/comment-page-1/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmnnn, on second thought...  the body is cast too isn&#039;t it.....  and I do brush phosphoric acid on the sides and the sole after flattening&#039;em...  but I don&#039;t get any on the jappaning!

That would be a case where soaking in vinegar mite be a bit less work...  still it&#039;s easier to do that by giving&#039;em to my son to use his electrolosis outfit on, no work for me at all, and it even builds a little metal back on.  All told, I guess I still use vinegar mostly on files....

Skip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmnnn, on second thought&#8230;  the body is cast too isn&#8217;t it&#8230;..  and I do brush phosphoric acid on the sides and the sole after flattening&#8217;em&#8230;  but I don&#8217;t get any on the jappaning!</p>
<p>That would be a case where soaking in vinegar mite be a bit less work&#8230;  still it&#8217;s easier to do that by giving&#8217;em to my son to use his electrolosis outfit on, no work for me at all, and it even builds a little metal back on.  All told, I guess I still use vinegar mostly on files&#8230;.</p>
<p>Skip</p>
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		<title>By: Skip J.</title>
		<link>http://toolmakingart.com/2009/07/27/pencil-shave/comment-page-1/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Skip J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercy!  I hadn&#039;t even thought about cast iron!  And here I am about to be assessing some jappaning, and what to do about it. It&#039;s too dirty to tell if it&#039;s good or not.  I&#039;ve never had a #3 or any other somewhat valuable tool, so I just clean&#039;em and spray&#039;em engine black.

I&#039;ve never used phosphoric acid or vinegar on cast iron....  hmmmnn...  like I say, woodies don&#039;t have these problems, except for the blades.......

Thanks for pointing that out!

Skip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercy!  I hadn&#8217;t even thought about cast iron!  And here I am about to be assessing some jappaning, and what to do about it. It&#8217;s too dirty to tell if it&#8217;s good or not.  I&#8217;ve never had a #3 or any other somewhat valuable tool, so I just clean&#8217;em and spray&#8217;em engine black.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never used phosphoric acid or vinegar on cast iron&#8230;.  hmmmnn&#8230;  like I say, woodies don&#8217;t have these problems, except for the blades&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing that out!</p>
<p>Skip</p>
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		<title>By: BobStrawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobStrawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only done bluing on tool steel, so I do not know how well it works with cast iron, malleable or otherwise.  Bob Smalser has taught me a lot and I am quite grateful for the great information he has provided so freely.  I have not read where he has used it on cast iron however.

Parkerizing is a treatment used on cast iron, and Oxpho Blue is used on cast iron, so the combination should work, but testing it first might be in order.  My fear is that the Japanning might be removed.  In any case be careful, the Japanning is probably chock full of lead.

I am working on a lead free Japanning formula, but the results need to go through a years aging and weather before I can make any recommendations.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only done bluing on tool steel, so I do not know how well it works with cast iron, malleable or otherwise.  Bob Smalser has taught me a lot and I am quite grateful for the great information he has provided so freely.  I have not read where he has used it on cast iron however.</p>
<p>Parkerizing is a treatment used on cast iron, and Oxpho Blue is used on cast iron, so the combination should work, but testing it first might be in order.  My fear is that the Japanning might be removed.  In any case be careful, the Japanning is probably chock full of lead.</p>
<p>I am working on a lead free Japanning formula, but the results need to go through a years aging and weather before I can make any recommendations.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Skip J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, I do think you need to keep one derusting article current on here somewhere...

Myself, I tend towards rehabbing the old woodies because only the blades need derusting, however...

I am about to do a Stanley #3 which has a little bit of value, so I am going with the grey look for it.  Usually I go for the extra rust protection here on the gulf coast of phosphor bluing.....  Besides, all those Bob Smalser articles on phosphor bluing can&#039;t be wrong???

Take care..

Skip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, I do think you need to keep one derusting article current on here somewhere&#8230;</p>
<p>Myself, I tend towards rehabbing the old woodies because only the blades need derusting, however&#8230;</p>
<p>I am about to do a Stanley #3 which has a little bit of value, so I am going with the grey look for it.  Usually I go for the extra rust protection here on the gulf coast of phosphor bluing&#8230;..  Besides, all those Bob Smalser articles on phosphor bluing can&#8217;t be wrong???</p>
<p>Take care..</p>
<p>Skip</p>
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		<title>By: BobStrawn</title>
		<link>http://toolmakingart.com/2009/07/27/pencil-shave/comment-page-1/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>BobStrawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did have this one, http://toolmakingart.com/2008/06/24/rust-prevention/, but it is dated as the first 2 and the last link are now dead.

I probably need to do a new one, as I have had a bit more time to test a few more methods.

I really appreciate well maintained and formed rustic work, so the dull silver grey patina on a knife blade is, to me, quite lovely.  On some old kitchen knives, The sort that started out for chopping and are now fillet knives, the varied soft hued splotches are quite charming.  The dutiful use and the long care that it takes to wear down such a knife, makes it all the more charming.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did have this one, <a href="http://toolmakingart.com/2008/06/24/rust-prevention/" rel="nofollow">http://toolmakingart.com/2008/06/24/rust-prevention/</a>, but it is dated as the first 2 and the last link are now dead.</p>
<p>I probably need to do a new one, as I have had a bit more time to test a few more methods.</p>
<p>I really appreciate well maintained and formed rustic work, so the dull silver grey patina on a knife blade is, to me, quite lovely.  On some old kitchen knives, The sort that started out for chopping and are now fillet knives, the varied soft hued splotches are quite charming.  The dutiful use and the long care that it takes to wear down such a knife, makes it all the more charming.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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